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scottie



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

John I don't even see the kits when they come in anymore and I am not using color coded brushes. I assume when we order refills they don't come with the brushes. My assistant just hands me an applicator with each liquid. We do not mix these brushes. Guess I'm doing it correctly.
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Gerry



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scottie:

I'm pretty sure the brushes for Simplicity 2 are specific in length and density of bristles so as to deliver the correct amount of adhesive with each application. I'm not sure about the brushes for Surpass part 2 but we don't swap brushes for the application of these portions of the adhesive systems.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 11:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I still like the double ended re-fillable brush handles I used with the Simplicity, except I only buy the blue bristle brush tips. I use one for the Sur 1, and the other for Sur 2, then dry off the excess Sur 2 on the patient napkin, and use it for Sur 3.

If I have to do another tooth later, I just get a new tip for the Sur 2/3 side.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't believe JK would recommend using the same brush for Surp 2 & 3. As he previously wrote in this thread "The brushes are there for a reason." Interesting concept to test and determine how the SBS falls off.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember him saying it wouldn't be a problem before
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now Gerry you just committed the unpardonable by saying "Surp". You can use the same brush on different patients, but you'd better call it Surpass or Sur.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just for John its "Simp", "Surp", and "A-Rod MVP!". He wont acknowledge it though figuring I'll eventually stop.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been thinking a lot about uncut enamel. We have a lot of it to deal with and do so constantly. Proper conditioning can be effected in 10 seconds on cut enamel with either Surpass or Simplicity but I have sort of come to a conclusion.

If the prep has not been sandblasted (which you know I have recommended for a long time) then I think it is wise to condition any exposed uncut enamel onto which the bonding system may flow for 20 seconds.

If you do so you'll likely see a clear etch pattern even on uncut enamel once Surpass 2 is dried.

Doing this will eliminate the need to have to be sure to remove resin flash from around the restoration. And you'll love the results.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

john kanca wrote:
OK, guys, something for you to try:

Please try a few direct composites without taking them to final polish (so you decide which those would be). Just short of final polish, re-apply Surpass, light-activate for at least ten seconds like you were sealing it. Then take a cotton pellet and wipe off the 02 layer and tell me what you see.

I think you're going to really like this. Cool


Okay. I have been doing this instead of polishing for all my composites since John posted this on November 30. I LOVE this technique!!! They are looking so much nicer and the technique is easier than polishing!!

Anyone else doing this??

And John, when can we start telling the masses about this technique??
Of course I will say that I invented it!!! Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doing this for quite some time (17 months) with great results. Never really thought that taking direct restorations to"High Glass Shine" looked like the rest of the teeth. The Surpass finish as JK suggests seems perfect.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

when sealing the comps, is it OK to use the sur 2 that has been in the well for a while, I am not sure the solvent is as important to bond to enamel as it is to dentin. I always use fresh sur 2 when bonding to dentin, but is it as crucial when sealing comps
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pcus wrote:
when sealing the comps, is it OK to use the sur 2 that has been in the well for a while, I am not sure the solvent is as important to bond to enamel as it is to dentin. I always use fresh sur 2 when bonding to dentin, but is it as crucial when sealing comps


Add a drop of either ethanol or isopropyl to the leftover stuff and use that.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

would using acetone be wrong?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pcus wrote:
would using acetone be wrong?


Not wrong.

I just like to keep the families similar. Surpass 2 is alcohol solvated.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Howardmg wrote:
john kanca wrote:
OK, guys, something for you to try:

Please try a few direct composites without taking them to final polish (so you decide which those would be). Just short of final polish, re-apply Surpass, light-activate for at least ten seconds like you were sealing it. Then take a cotton pellet and wipe off the 02 layer and tell me what you see.

I think you're going to really like this. Cool


Okay. I have been doing this instead of polishing for all my composites since John posted this on November 30. I LOVE this technique!!! They are looking so much nicer and the technique is easier than polishing!!

Anyone else doing this??

And John, when can we start telling the masses about this technique??
Of course I will say that I invented it!!! Wink


Feel free to talk about it. It works great.
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