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jasonl



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This surpass stuff sounds pretty good!
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Word.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Today John tested one year Surpass on dentin. Although the average was over 60MPa John actually had one specimen hit 72.1MPa!! I actually saw this number generate on the machine.

Also, 10 month Surpass on enamel, not done by John, just under 43 MPa.

Amazing stuff!! In-vivo its been perfect for about 2 years now. JK hits another home run!!!
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am finding that the best way to apply Surpass 3 is to brush on a thin layer and if not happy with the thickness, to brush it thin. The results are simply astounding.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have always tried for a thin Sur 3 layer. If not to my liking, I air thin it a wee bit, that is ok, right?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sure, that's OK. I am just sharing my clinical experience.

Before Flem pops in here, yes it is OK to thin it out with air for Cerec's.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bj wrote:
I have always tried for a thin Sur 3 layer. If not to my liking, I air thin it a wee bit, that is ok, right?


You can also try wiping the excess off of the brush off on a napkin and brushing it thin.

Just for the heck of it.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 5:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

john kanca wrote:
Sure, that's OK. I am just sharing my clinical experience.

Before Flem pops in here, yes it is OK to thin it out with air for Cerec's.

Razz


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

great cause I thin it out with air pretty substantially...
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, guys, something for you to try:

Please try a few direct composites without taking them to final polish (so you decide which those would be). Just short of final polish, re-apply Surpass, light-activate for at least ten seconds like you were sealing it. Then take a cotton pellet and wipe off the 02 layer and tell me what you see.

I think you're going to really like this. Cool
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

john kanca wrote:
OK, guys, something for you to try:

Please try a few direct composites without taking them to final polish (so you decide which those would be). Just short of final polish, re-apply Surpass, light-activate for at least ten seconds like you were sealing it. Then take a cotton pellet and wipe off the 02 layer and tell me what you see.

I think you're going to really like this. Cool


On class 1 and 2's, since this would only be on enamel and composite, can we skip the Surpass 2 step ?? (if we promise not to tell anyone Wink )
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Howardmg wrote:
john kanca wrote:
OK, guys, something for you to try:

Please try a few direct composites without taking them to final polish (so you decide which those would be). Just short of final polish, re-apply Surpass, light-activate for at least ten seconds like you were sealing it. Then take a cotton pellet and wipe off the 02 layer and tell me what you see.

I think you're going to really like this. Cool


On class 1 and 2's, since this would only be on enamel and composite, can we skip the Surpass 2 step ?? (if we promise not to tell anyone Wink )


Nope. The primer does play an important part.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay-
Just tried it. It looked very nice. And I liked skipping the polishing steps.
Couple of questions;
This will last over the long haul?
No need to place Protect-It or anything like that?
This only work with Surpass or does it work okay with Simplicity also?
Thanks....

I like it!!! Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It'll work better with Surpass because of the resin viscosity. I think it's going to do well, since it will only self-polish over time.
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