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jasonl
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This surpass stuff sounds pretty good!
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It's the shizzle
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john kanca
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Word.
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Gerry
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Today John tested one year Surpass on dentin. Although the average was over 60MPa John actually had one specimen hit 72.1MPa!! I actually saw this number generate on the machine.
Also, 10 month Surpass on enamel, not done by John, just under 43 MPa.
Amazing stuff!! In-vivo its been perfect for about 2 years now. JK hits another home run!!!
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john kanca
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I am finding that the best way to apply Surpass 3 is to brush on a thin layer and if not happy with the thickness, to brush it thin. The results are simply astounding.
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bj
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| I have always tried for a thin Sur 3 layer. If not to my liking, I air thin it a wee bit, that is ok, right? |
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john kanca
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Sure, that's OK. I am just sharing my clinical experience.
Before Flem pops in here, yes it is OK to thin it out with air for Cerec's.
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john kanca
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| bj wrote: | | I have always tried for a thin Sur 3 layer. If not to my liking, I air thin it a wee bit, that is ok, right? |
You can also try wiping the excess off of the brush off on a napkin and brushing it thin.
Just for the heck of it.
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Mark J Fleming DDS
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| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 5:03 am Post subject: |
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| john kanca wrote: | Sure, that's OK. I am just sharing my clinical experience.
Before Flem pops in here, yes it is OK to thin it out with air for Cerec's.
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seth
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great cause I thin it out with air pretty substantially...
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john kanca
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OK, guys, something for you to try:
Please try a few direct composites without taking them to final polish (so you decide which those would be). Just short of final polish, re-apply Surpass, light-activate for at least ten seconds like you were sealing it. Then take a cotton pellet and wipe off the 02 layer and tell me what you see.
I think you're going to really like this.
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Howardmg
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| Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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| john kanca wrote: | OK, guys, something for you to try:
Please try a few direct composites without taking them to final polish (so you decide which those would be). Just short of final polish, re-apply Surpass, light-activate for at least ten seconds like you were sealing it. Then take a cotton pellet and wipe off the 02 layer and tell me what you see.
I think you're going to really like this. |
On class 1 and 2's, since this would only be on enamel and composite, can we skip the Surpass 2 step ?? (if we promise not to tell anyone  )
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john kanca
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| Howardmg wrote: | | john kanca wrote: | OK, guys, something for you to try:
Please try a few direct composites without taking them to final polish (so you decide which those would be). Just short of final polish, re-apply Surpass, light-activate for at least ten seconds like you were sealing it. Then take a cotton pellet and wipe off the 02 layer and tell me what you see.
I think you're going to really like this. |
On class 1 and 2's, since this would only be on enamel and composite, can we skip the Surpass 2 step ?? (if we promise not to tell anyone ) |
Nope. The primer does play an important part.
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Howardmg
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Okay-
Just tried it. It looked very nice. And I liked skipping the polishing steps.
Couple of questions;
This will last over the long haul?
No need to place Protect-It or anything like that?
This only work with Surpass or does it work okay with Simplicity also?
Thanks....
I like it!!! 
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john kanca
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It'll work better with Surpass because of the resin viscosity. I think it's going to do well, since it will only self-polish over time.
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