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twmdds



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 3:04 pm    Post subject: Sticky composites Reply with quote

I use Heliomolar for my posterior composites. Problem is it's sticky, so I paint a little Simplicity 2 on it as I condense/shape it. That's expensive! Is there something else I can use that's cheaper? I've heard not to use alcohol.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ultradent makes something called "wetting resin" that might work.

But hey, the kids have to get through school! Shocked
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

up the cost of your posterior resins 5 bucks. this will more then cover the extra sim 2 and no one will have any clue that you did it. Well worth it in my opinion.
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twmdds



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

john kanca wrote:
Ultradent makes something called "wetting resin" that might work.

But hey, the kids have to get through school! Shocked


Thanks John, but my kid's in med school!
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I meant mine! Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 8:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have tried that wetting resin, It is a little disappointing. Its pretty highly filled, so it looks whitish in colour, and its not easy to dispense into a well and just dip your instrument into it. you have to use these brush tips and paint it on the surface, so there will be a learning curve.Generally, there should be enough excess Simp 2 from your initial bonding appkication to allow for the wetting of the instrument.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 3:47 pm    Post subject: Sensitivity-sticky composite Reply with quote

As an aside, I used Heliomolar for a long time, but was always disappointed with the cured shades. A durable composite, however opaque and A-3 is actually lighter than A-2! Try Grandio by Voco, it flows very nicely into all regions of the preparation and I seldom use a wetting resin to prevent pull back.











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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love Grandio too but it does not polish as well as other composites, so I only use it in posterior. But it's handling as you say is exceptional. Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I too used Heliomolar for a long time.

I have 0 problem w Ultradent's Viatalescence. I dispence no more Sim 2 than what is called for, the brush remains fine, even if I swipe it on an instrument which I rarely need to do.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like Gradia...

as an aside...

JK, you mentioned wetting the cured layer prior to placing another layer (in your lecture in the Bahamas).....I had always heard that would weaken the overall strength of the composite.

please explain.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jasonl wrote:
I like Gradia...

as an aside...

JK, you mentioned wetting the cured layer prior to placing another layer (in your lecture in the Bahamas).....I had always heard that would weaken the overall strength of the composite.

please explain.



It won't weaken it if you don't flood the prep. Just a small amount will increase the adaptation of the layers to one another and actually strengthen the overall restoration.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

john kanca wrote:
jasonl wrote:
I like Gradia...

as an aside...

JK, you mentioned wetting the cured layer prior to placing another layer (in your lecture in the Bahamas).....I had always heard that would weaken the overall strength of the composite.

please explain.



It won't weaken it if you don't flood the prep. Just a small amount will increase the adaptation of the layers to one another and actually strengthen the overall restoration.

Nice to have you visit us, Jason! Cool


Thanks.
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