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Kben



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 1:44 pm    Post subject: surpass 2 after immediate sealing Reply with quote

John, I've tried to find this but I'm having difficulties, when I deliver cerecs, I immediately bond, then powder and design. When it comes time to cement with anchor, i have been doing all 3 steps but I thought I read somewhere that I can just apply surpass 2 air dry and cure that is this correct?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

before seating, scrub with alcohol, rinse and dry, apply surpass 2, thin and seat.
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Mark J Fleming DDS



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

brad wrote:
before seating, scrub with alcohol, rinse and dry, apply surpass 2, thin and seat.


Or scrub the prep with the left over Interface, rinse, dry then place Surpass 2. Cool
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john kanca



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Both responses are correct.

I light-cure the Surpass 2.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alcohol should be rinsed ???
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alcohol should be rinsed.

The recommendations are good.

Cool
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 8:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alcohol should be drank!!!
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

john kanca wrote:
Alcohol should be rinsed.

The recommendations are good.

Cool


In every situations or just for cerec ?

I have ever only been drying the acohol, i thought it was very volatile and didn't need to be rinsed. Have i been wrong all this time ???
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's the value is scrubbing the prep with Interface? I thought Interface made porcelain surfaces more bondable. When I use Interface on the crown, I don't rinse it off, I dry it and place Sur 2. I thin the Sur 2 and seat with Anchor. The prep gets Sur 1,2 and 3 and cured before seating the crown.
Is that correct?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

scottie.. i think interface (because of its low ph?) is also a very good cleaner.. so whatever leftover you have you can use it to clean your prep... doesn't mean it;s adding anything to the strength of your bonding.. it's justa good cleaning agent. (if i understand correctly)
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john kanca



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 8:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right.

It's there already mixed. It will remove temporary cement as it is an acid and the temp cements are oxides.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay thanks for the info.
Are my steps for seating an E-max crown correct?
Interface, let dwell for 30 seconds, dry, place Sur 2
On prep, Sur 1,2,3 thin and cure. Seat with Anchor.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2011 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

scottie wrote:
Okay thanks for the info.
Are my steps for seating an E-max crown correct?
Interface, let dwell for 30 seconds, dry, place Sur 2
On prep, Sur 1,2,3 thin and cure. Seat with Anchor.


15 seconds for the Interface is good. Don't forget to light-cure the Surpass 2.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2011 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks!
Somewhere I'd read earlier you didn't cure the Sur 2 in the crown.
Every little point helps.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 6:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

surpass 2 is light sensitive? I only apply orange filter during surpass 3. Am I in trouble?
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