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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 2:03 pm    Post subject: Something new for Simplicity Reply with quote

For all directs, a layer of Titan can be applied directly over Simplicity and the two light-cured together for at least 20 seconds.

The bond strength jumps quite a bit.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

does the same thing apply to surpass as well?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

brad wrote:
does the same thing apply to surpass as well?


Does what apply?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Light curing Surpass 3 and Titan together....
Does it increase the strength for that also...?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i will go on a limb and say no!

i think the difference between simplicity and surpass is surpass 3 being pure resin (and i have a feeling surpass 2 and simplicity 2 are kinda similar.. maybe simplicity 2 has more resin/less solvent?)

so adding the titan is like adding surpass 3 to the bonding system... probably pushes simplicity numbers closer to surpass number.

all this of course is speculation! but i wonder if my reason is on the right track...
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

priior wrote:
i will go on a limb and say no!

i think the difference between simplicity and surpass is surpass 3 being pure resin (and i have a feeling surpass 2 and simplicity 2 are kinda similar.. maybe simplicity 2 has more resin/less solvent?)

so adding the titan is like adding surpass 3 to the bonding system... probably pushes simplicity numbers closer to surpass number.

all this of course is speculation! but i wonder if my reason is on the right track...


I cannot gain any real improvement in bond strength with Surpass when doing this, but as I stated in the other thread I recommend light-activating Surpass and TItan together as long as the Titan is a really thin layer.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 11:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

john kanca wrote:
priior wrote:
i will go on a limb and say no!

i think the difference between simplicity and surpass is surpass 3 being pure resin (and i have a feeling surpass 2 and simplicity 2 are kinda similar.. maybe simplicity 2 has more resin/less solvent?)

so adding the titan is like adding surpass 3 to the bonding system... probably pushes simplicity numbers closer to surpass number.

all this of course is speculation! but i wonder if my reason is on the right track...


I cannot gain any real improvement in bond strength with Surpass when doing this, but as I stated in the other thread I recommend light-activating Surpass and TItan together as long as the Titan is a really thin layer.



Okay then....the next obvious question is does light curing Sim 2 and Titan together bring it's bonding strength numbers up to the level of Surpass (whether you light cure it with Titan or not)?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 6:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Howardmg wrote:
john kanca wrote:
priior wrote:
i will go on a limb and say no!

i think the difference between simplicity and surpass is surpass 3 being pure resin (and i have a feeling surpass 2 and simplicity 2 are kinda similar.. maybe simplicity 2 has more resin/less solvent?)

so adding the titan is like adding surpass 3 to the bonding system... probably pushes simplicity numbers closer to surpass number.

all this of course is speculation! but i wonder if my reason is on the right track...


I cannot gain any real improvement in bond strength with Surpass when doing this, but as I stated in the other thread I recommend light-activating Surpass and TItan together as long as the Titan is a really thin layer.



Okay then....the next obvious question is does light curing Sim 2 and Titan together bring it's bonding strength numbers up to the level of Surpass (whether you light cure it with Titan or not)?


No. Surpass is still well above that.

Sometimes I hate myself for saying things......
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 6:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

what if we light cure part 1 with a drop of titan and then reapply part 1 while waiving part 2 over it to form a vapor barrior that we then apply part 3 through in order to integrate part 2 particles into part 3 as it is applied to the cured part 1 with titan......will this work?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 8:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

john kanca wrote:
Howardmg wrote:

Okay then....the next obvious question is does light curing Sim 2 and Titan together bring it's bonding strength numbers up to the level of Surpass (whether you light cure it with Titan or not)?


No. Surpass is still well above that.

Sometimes I hate myself for saying things......


lol. no worries.. we're a small circle here Wink

i think this is super interesting for when doing sealants w/simplicity + titan. (personally, i only use surpass.. so it's pretty moot for me anyways)


jasonl: wow!
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

john kanca wrote:
Howardmg wrote:
john kanca wrote:
priior wrote:
i will go on a limb and say no!

i think the difference between simplicity and surpass is surpass 3 being pure resin (and i have a feeling surpass 2 and simplicity 2 are kinda similar.. maybe simplicity 2 has more resin/less solvent?)

so adding the titan is like adding surpass 3 to the bonding system... probably pushes simplicity numbers closer to surpass number.

all this of course is speculation! but i wonder if my reason is on the right track...


I cannot gain any real improvement in bond strength with Surpass when doing this, but as I stated in the other thread I recommend light-activating Surpass and TItan together as long as the Titan is a really thin layer.



Okay then....the next obvious question is does light curing Sim 2 and Titan together bring it's bonding strength numbers up to the level of Surpass (whether you light cure it with Titan or not)?


No. Surpass is still well above that.

Sometimes I hate myself for saying things......


Of all the things that you say that could make you hate yourself ..this is certainly not one of them... Wink Razz
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jasonl wrote:
what if we light cure part 1 with a drop of titan and then reapply part 1 while waiving part 2 over it to form a vapor barrior that we then apply part 3 through in order to integrate part 2 particles into part 3 as it is applied to the cured part 1 with titan......will this work?


Who told you about this???? Shocked
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

john kanca wrote:
Howardmg wrote:
john kanca wrote:
priior wrote:
i will go on a limb and say no!

i think the difference between simplicity and surpass is surpass 3 being pure resin (and i have a feeling surpass 2 and simplicity 2 are kinda similar.. maybe simplicity 2 has more resin/less solvent?)

so adding the titan is like adding surpass 3 to the bonding system... probably pushes simplicity numbers closer to surpass number.

all this of course is speculation! but i wonder if my reason is on the right track...


I cannot gain any real improvement in bond strength with Surpass when doing this, but as I stated in the other thread I recommend light-activating Surpass and TItan together as long as the Titan is a really thin layer.



Okay then....the next obvious question is does light curing Sim 2 and Titan together bring it's bonding strength numbers up to the level of Surpass (whether you light cure it with Titan or not)?


No. Surpass is still well above that.

Sometimes I hate myself for saying things......


Don't hate the playa...... Wink Cool
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 4:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

john kanca wrote:
jasonl wrote:
what if we light cure part 1 with a drop of titan and then reapply part 1 while waiving part 2 over it to form a vapor barrior that we then apply part 3 through in order to integrate part 2 particles into part 3 as it is applied to the cured part 1 with titan......will this work?


Who told you about this???? Shocked


Wasn't me!!
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