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Pcus



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 1:45 pm    Post subject: surpass techniques Reply with quote

I just finally got some surpass up here in Canada (Shhhh its a secret)

I just need a couple of simple one word answers to a couple of questions

For porcelain repair, on porcelain only, interface plus surpass 3?

when tooth is involved, interface plus sur 2 and 3 will work just as good

Which is better to use as a wetting agent sur 2 or 3

Is sur3 that light sensitive, I find it hardening on the brush and the well
after a few minutes on the counter

I assume sur 2 has the solvent in it, should this be dispensed just prior to use

Is that the same with sur 3

I am using the sur right now just for the class V's that are debonding. I am doing minimal prep for now, and am curious to see how that goes. If I have the same problem, then would a more agressive prep be all that is needed for better retention? (assuming occlusion has be accounted for)

I think that should hold me for now. John I told Gary I would be his go to guy for his clients that had any questions with the Sim and Sur, so I just want to be sure of a few things...
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For porcelain repair, on porcelain only, interface plus surpass 3?

Right.

when tooth is involved, interface plus sur 2 and 3 will work just as good

Right again, 2 and 3.

Which is better to use as a wetting agent sur 2 or 3

3- it has no solvent.

Is sur3 that light sensitive, I find it hardening on the brush and the well
after a few minutes on the counter

That's not a question, eh? Try not leaving it in the light, hoser.

I assume sur 2 has the solvent in it, should this be dispensed just prior to use

Yes, but it is alcohol and won't evaporate as quickly as acetone.

Is that the same with sur 3

Nope. No solvent.

I am using the sur right now just for the class V's that are debonding. I am doing minimal prep for now, and am curious to see how that goes. If I have the same problem, then would a more agressive prep be all that is needed for better retention? (assuming occlusion has be accounted for)

And nuke the first increment that touches the dentin for at least seconds.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks so much for the quick response....you see I was not sleeping as much as you think during all your lectures...Hope the knee is progressing well.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And nuke the first increment that touches the dentin for at least seconds.

Preferably around forty of them. Razz
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The statement is quite correct!


Razz

But alas, 30-40 of them is more specific.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nice cover!!
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had upped my curing time of that first increment to about 20 seconds. Looks like more is better. So increase to around 40 seconds.
I was doing this for the flowable layer. I would assume this would hold true for the first layer of Anchor too?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes it would. It really does make a difference in terms of dye penetration, i.e. resistance to deformation of the tissue.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

john kanca wrote:
Yes it would. It really does make a difference in terms of dye penetration, i.e. resistance to deformation of the tissue.


So John, I probably missed it. (Reading Eric's post, I did missed it! Rolling Eyes )
What is your protocol on curing EVERYTHING, Surpass through composite. My eternal gratitude is given in advance! Cool
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 6:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Surpass: 10 sec
The first layer that touches the tooth, especially on dentin; 30-40 sec
Everything else 10 sec per layer initially, 20 sec final exposure
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

john kanca wrote:
Surpass: 10 sec
The first layer that touches the tooth, especially on dentin; 30-40 sec
Everything else 10 sec per layer initially, 20 sec final exposure


Thank you, good sir. Have a good holiday weekend! Cool
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

get out of here flem and wake Gabe up already
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mark J Fleming DDS wrote:
john kanca wrote:
Surpass: 10 sec
The first layer that touches the tooth, especially on dentin; 30-40 sec
Everything else 10 sec per layer initially, 20 sec final exposure


Thank you, good sir. Have a good holiday weekend! Cool


You are talking 30- 40 sec for the first layer of composite whether it is flowable, Anchor, or composite, right? And just 10 sec. for Surpass.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Howardmg wrote:
Mark J Fleming DDS wrote:
john kanca wrote:
Surpass: 10 sec
The first layer that touches the tooth, especially on dentin; 30-40 sec
Everything else 10 sec per layer initially, 20 sec final exposure


Thank you, good sir. Have a good holiday weekend! Cool


You are talking 30- 40 sec for the first layer of composite whether it is flowable, Anchor, or composite, right? And just 10 sec. for Surpass.


Right, especially on dentin.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

John I'm not following you when you say just 10 seconds for Surpass. Your cure the Surpass 3 for for 10 seconds (similar to Sim 2), then the next layer, Anchor, flowable or composite would be cured 40 seconds. Is that what you mean?
I know you talked about the difficulty of writing directions. I'm just feeling a bit dense at the moment.
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