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bj



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 7:04 pm    Post subject: Switched to Surpass Reply with quote

I switched from Simplicity to using Surpass.

My Simplicity instuctions included the below.
My question is: Everywhere below that states "Sim 2", I only need Sur 3, right? I don't need both Sur 2 + Sur 3 in the apllications I have listed below ( all other applications for Surpass I understand.
Thank you

1-To bond composite to FC/yellow gold just sandblast it well, rinse and dry, and apply Sim 2, dry and light-cure. That's it.

2- For composite repair (adding composite to an existing composite)
-Remove water sorbed layer of composite (till see color change)
-Sim 2 on the old composite (Sim 1 only if dentin or enamel is involved, Sim 1 does not harm the old composite if it gets on it
- light cure & add the new composite


3- For uncut enamel as in Maryland Bridge bonding
1. SANDBLAST the enamel! Rinse it and DRY for 10 seconds.
2. Apply Simplicity as usual to enamel and light-cure
3. Apply another coat of Sim 2, dry, but DO NOT light-cure
4. Apply a coat of Sim 2 to metal, dry and light-cure
5. Apply another coat of Sim 2 to metal, dry but DO NOT light-cure
6. Add self-cure or dual-cure cement and seat.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1. Yes.

2. No, Surpass 2 and 3.

3. For an MB, all of Surpass on tooth. No extra coat needed.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One more question.
My Anchor instructions mention Simplicity. I now use Surpass.
My question is: am I correct in the instructions below where it states "A second coat of the either Sur 3 or Simplicity 2 is applied to the same ceramic surface and dried but it is not light-cured."?


It is highly recommended that the ceramic surfaces to be bonded are first lightly sandblasted.
The prepared Interface solution is applied to the ceramic surface in an even coating and is allowed to dwell for 10 seconds.
It is then dried for 5 seconds with dried compressed air.
One coat of either Sur 3 or Simplicity 2 is applied to the primed ceramic surface, is air-thinned,
Dry.
Light-cured for ten seconds.
A second coat of the either Sur 3 or Simplicity 2 is applied to the same ceramic surface and dried but it is not light-cured.
The desired resin luting cement is inserted into the restoration and it is seated and finished according to the manufacturer’s instructions.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CORRECTION:

It is highly recommended that the ceramic surfaces to be bonded are first lightly sandblasted.
The prepared Interface solution is applied to the ceramic surface in an even coating and is allowed to dwell for 10 seconds.
It is then dried for 5 seconds with dried compressed air.
One coat of either Sur 3 or Simplicity 2 is applied to the primed ceramic surface, is air-thinned,
Dry.
Light-cured for ten seconds.
A second coat of Simplicity 2 is applied to the tooth and dried but it is not light-cured. (additional coat of Sur 3 not needed)
The desired resin luting cement is inserted into the restoration and it is seated and finished according to the manufacturer’s instructions.


I have been corrected by someone who aspires to be Flem.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've recently started switching from simplicity to surpass for my indirects.

90% of the problem is that I'm doing this on teeth that are clinically too short....but....

2 debonds in the last 2 days.

both on left side premolars.

both are short preps that I was hoping surpass would help me with...

I'm re-bonding and double and triple checking excursive movements....

Prep:
alcohol.
rinse
surpass 1
surpass 2
air
surpass 3
air
cure 10 seconds

restoration:
particle abrasion
rinse
dry
interface 15 seconds
air
surpass 3
air
cure

anchor on restoration
insert
hold until gel
remove excess

cure 10 seconds B, L, and O.

I'm almost positive I am just pushing the envelope too much but wanted to post this to make sure there are no other suggestions.

thanks.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd like to see some images and radiographs if you have them.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jason-
I think you may not be drying your prep---
I rinse and then dry the preps quite a bit.
I would bet you do as well, but you did not list that.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What kind of crowns are these? Are they all-ceramic? Are they CAD/CAM? Are they v-preps?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

brad wrote:
Jason-
I think you may not be drying your prep---
I rinse and then dry the preps quite a bit.
I would bet you do as well, but you did not list that.


This could be important. The tooth is supposed to be dried prior to Surpass 1 app.

Also- have you checked your air syringe lately?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll try posting pics tomorrow...and radiographs.


I have not checked my syringe lately but I always blast into the air (like shooting a gat) before the tooth.

1 of the was empress and the other was eMax....both lab fabricated.
Both were etched at the lab and 50 micron particle abraded by me after trying in.

I dry the tooth after rinsing off the alcohol but I wouldn't call it bone dry.

The preps are "normal" preps but quite short....at 3 mm tall (maybe only 2 mm in some spots). About 1.2 - 1.5 axial margin width.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe I'll come down and put them in! Wink

There could be an excuse maybe for Simplicity, but for not Surpass.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Prep:
alcohol.
rinse
surpass 1
surpass 2
air
surpass 3
air
cure 10 seconds


10 seconds- or ten seconds per surface as instructed?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

you are welcome anytime!


I cure the restoration for 10 seconds....the intaglio.

after inserting I cure each surface 10 seconds.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jasonl wrote:
you are welcome anytime!


I cure the restoration for 10 seconds....the intaglio.

after inserting I cure each surface 10 seconds.


The list I coped was not about the restoration.

Look again. I meant the prep.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 7:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sorry still no pictures....


ahha......I don't cure all sides of the prep for 10 each.
I just do 10 seconds of waving it all around the prep.
maybe that is my folly.
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