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Ekrause



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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2007 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Always go with the thin layer of Anchor and cure before placing the rest. I usually use flowable instead of the thin Anchor layer because I find it easier to control.
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bj



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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2007 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

re sealing w Permaseal.
I use Pentron's Protect It. Those directions call for : etch wash then sealant then cure, so I only use my Sur 1 then ProtectIt.
I am OK?

Eric stated:
Sur 1
Sur 2 dry dry dry
Sur 3 thin thin thin
Permaseal thin thin thin
Cure 10 seconds
Seems Sur 1 then Permaseal ought to be fine? And if not, then what is so great about Permaseal that Su1 +2+3 alone wouln't accomplish ( no Permaseal needed)?

When John comes out w a sealant, I hope it'll be etch w Sur1 or Sim 1 wash place & cure.

Re Sur 3 thickness, what is ideal? If it makes no difference then it is always easiest & most consistent to "thin the heck out of it" But what is ideal? "Thin layer" from 2 second blast, 5 second blast, thin the heck out of it?

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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2007 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

re sealing w Permaseal.
I use Pentron's Protect It. Those directions call for : etch wash then sealant then cure, so I only use my Sur 1 then ProtectIt.
I am OK?

If you are rinsing the Surpass 1, yes. But you could also seal by simply re-applying Surpass.

Eric stated:
Sur 1
Sur 2 dry dry dry
Sur 3 thin thin thin
Permaseal thin thin thin
Cure 10 seconds
Seems Sur 1 then Permaseal ought to be fine? And if not, then what is so great about Permaseal that Su1 +2+3 alone wouln't accomplish ( no Permaseal needed)?

You might also try Surpass 3 as the sealing material. It'll work great. Surpass IS it's own sealer.

When John comes out w a sealant, I hope it'll be etch w Sur1 or Sim 1 wash place & cure.

Why wash when it's not necessary? Why not place Simplicity and the sealant?

Re Sur 3 thickness, what is ideal? If it makes no difference then it is always easiest & most consistent to "thin the heck out of it" But what is ideal? "Thin layer" from 2 second blast, 5 second blast, thin the heck out of it?

Ideal is what serves you best for a given procedure.
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PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2007 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks.
To seal a restoration, can I do Sur 1 > Sur 3, or do I need sur 2 between them?
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