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john kanca
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Posted: Sun May 29, 2005 12:13 pm Post subject: |
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FYI
Tissue goo is a cleanser, not an astringent. It's got EDTA in it. _________________ "You need me on that wall."
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cool kid
Joined: 12 May 2005 Posts: 818 Location: chicago
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Posted: Sun May 29, 2005 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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I wish companies would advertise a product for what it is. I would assume from the way it is advertised that is does have hemostatic properties _________________ Rich (cool kid) Rosenblatt
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jrgeaman
Joined: 28 May 2005 Posts: 21
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Posted: Mon May 30, 2005 8:41 am Post subject: Astringents prior to cementations |
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Ferric sulfate, used in Viscostat, adheres very tenaciously to prepared tooth structure. I rinse it off very well and when the tooth "looks clean", I rinse some more. I do not use Viscostat in the anterior region, the risk of emergence of stain showing through an all ceramic margin or even a composite for that matter, is too great. |
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john kanca
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Posted: Mon May 30, 2005 8:56 am Post subject: Re: Astringents prior to cementations |
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jrgeaman wrote: | Ferric sulfate, used in Viscostat, adheres very tenaciously to prepared tooth structure. I rinse it off very well and when the tooth "looks clean", I rinse some more. I do not use Viscostat in the anterior region, the risk of emergence of stain showing through an all ceramic margin or even a composite for that matter, is too great. |
You're gonna love the new gel coming from Ultradent.  _________________ "You need me on that wall."
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scottie
Joined: 21 May 2005 Posts: 360 Location: Albuquerque NM
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Posted: Tue May 31, 2005 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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John I was thinking about Anchor and Simplicity for seating veneers. If you were seating six anteriors all at once doesn't the Anchor set up a bit too quickly and maybe give you a problem with clean up. I've used UltraBond Quik which is a dual cure but it has a long working time.
The other thing is, Anchor is just in one tooth colored shade at the moment. So if you had a translucent veneer and wanted to vary the color a bit you've only got one option with Anchor. Right? |
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Ekrause
Joined: 11 May 2005 Posts: 782 Location: I'm here now.
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Posted: Tue May 31, 2005 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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Use a light cure only cement for veneers. Rely-x Veneer cement is a good one.  _________________ No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of.... |
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john kanca
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 6:58 am Post subject: |
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Eric is right. For veneers, a light-activated material is likely your best choice, but I must say that I am thinking more about that. At this time I am recommending RelyX Veneer from 3M. _________________ "You need me on that wall."
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Mark J Fleming DDS
Joined: 11 May 2005 Posts: 736 Location: Sarasota, FL
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 7:29 am Post subject: |
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I'll be glad when Translucent/Clear Anchor comes out. Hmmm, maybe Orlando?!?  |
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Lawrie
Joined: 14 May 2005 Posts: 13
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Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 6:06 am Post subject: |
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cool kid wrote: | I wish companies would advertise a product for what it is. I would assume from the way it is advertised that is does have hemostatic properties |
I assume we're still discussing Tissue Goo. It does a great job of stopping bleeding. I'm no scientist and wouldn't dare argue with John, but they sell Detail as a cleanser after using Tissue Goo.
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john kanca
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Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 8:03 am Post subject: |
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I like Ultradent better.  _________________ "You need me on that wall."
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bj
Joined: 15 May 2005 Posts: 320
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Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2005 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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The website indicates Anchor is ok for veneers unlike the above posts say to probably avoid it.
Which is it?
Anyone used it for veneers yet?
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john kanca
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Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2005 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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I have used it for anterior crowns, bj. but not for veneers- not yet. Just be sure you have control of the final value and chroma by adding a little of the WO to the A2. We are working on an A2O. _________________ "You need me on that wall."
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dsg_c1
Joined: 11 May 2005 Posts: 352 Location: mill creek, wa
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Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 12:02 am Post subject: |
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john,
what about the old "amine" worry with dark margins and color shifting over time? isn't dual cure pretty much contraindicated in the anterior, based on this worry?
thanks,
d _________________ darren greenhalgh dds
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john kanca
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Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 7:32 am Post subject: |
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Some of us have been using things like Choice, RelyX ARC and Insure in their dual-cure modes and have not seen the amine discoloration that plagues these kinds of materials in the past. Still, I would stay with a light-activated material for veneers for now.
Also, because of their inherent opacity, crowns like Impulse/Eris are less affected by color than more translucent types of ceramic. _________________ "You need me on that wall."
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dsg_c1
Joined: 11 May 2005 Posts: 352 Location: mill creek, wa
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Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 11:38 am Post subject: |
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john kanca wrote: | D
Some of us have been using things like Choice, RelyX ARC and Insure in their dual-cure modes and have not seen the amine discoloration that plagues these kinds of materials in the past. Still, I would stay with a light-activated material for veneers for now.
Also, because of their inherent opacity, crowns like Impulse/Eris are less affected by color than more translucent types of ceramic. |
what about for crowns in the anterior? i have used relyx arc veneer cement, variolink without the dual cure addative, and recently appeal, due to this color shifting worry. should i stay with these or are you using anchor for ant. ceramic crowns?
thanks,
d _________________ darren greenhalgh dds
15130 main st suite 210
mill creek, wa. 98012
www.pacificNWsmiles.com
425.357.6400
friend of flem
frequently a blasphemer of John Kanca III, DMD |
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