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Triad



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2014 2:55 pm    Post subject: Nexus RMGI Reply with quote

Kerr is sending me a sample of their new rmgi and after looking at the physical properties on the brochure it seems to be better then my current cement (relyx luting powder/liquid).

Of course I like the paste/paste and the ability to tack cure but wouldn't be willing to trade that for a drop in performance. since I switched to relyx powder/liquid i haven't had any of my bruxzir crowns pop off like they had when I was using unicem2.

John, can you just make a great paste/paste rmgi already!?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2014 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

powder / liquid in a syringe. Ingenious!! Of course it's from Ultradent.

All the benefits of a powder / liquid. Ease of use of a paste / paste.

http://youtu.be/VnNvXwyiWvs
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2014 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah, that looks pretty cool. looks like it is $4.50/use if you buy the 20pack. I was thinking of getting that but I don't believe you can tack cure that, can you?

Is the pricing comparable to the nexus ($120/15 grams)? I know the powder/liquid seems to last forever, I can't imagine that being as high as $4/use...
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2014 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't care what it costs. Why would you want to tack cure? You would shut down the self etching effect. I just seat the crown and set the timer for 5 minutes.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2014 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess you need to decide which is more important to you- time or money and I'm not knocking either. I love the Ultra-cem syringes.

You do not want a light-cure version.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2014 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I started using Panavia after hearing Ray Bertolloti speak about it. I have been cementing Zirconium and E-max with it and so far so good. Any idea how Panavia compares to Ultra-cem?
I do tack the Panavia after 10 seconds and remove the excess. I see John you don't like the light cure for the Ultra-cem. Should I not light cure the Panavia either? There is a gel they have to put round the excess and it is left till the cement sets and then you clean off the cement.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2014 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would certainly never use Panavia for a Zirconia crown. For an Emax, sure, but there are easier materials to use (Anchor)
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2014 11:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why would you not use Panavia for a Zirconium crown?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 19, 2014 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

scottie wrote:
Why would you not use Panavia for a Zirconium crown?


RMGI is so much easier.

Zirconia sucks to bond to.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any thoughts on Ceramir for zirconia?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

shotblockin wrote:
Any thoughts on Ceramir for zirconia?


Fine, but no better than anything else.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the topic of Zirconia. I really like the product Ivoclean from Ivoclar. I generally follow with ceramir and have yet to have a debond.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2014 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

drharemza wrote:
On the topic of Zirconia. I really like the product Ivoclean from Ivoclar. I generally follow with ceramir and have yet to have a debond.


OK with me. I just sandblast, rinse, dry and cement with Ultra-cem. Similarly, zero debonds.
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