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Simplicity or Surpass for indirect
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 5:54 pm    Post subject: Simplicity or Surpass for indirect Reply with quote

Which will you use for indirect and why?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I switched to Surpass for inventory control. Only wanted one material, and one protocol for placement of anything. That it has bond strengths through the roof is an added bonus.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ekrause wrote:
I switched to Surpass for inventory control. Only wanted one material, and one protocol for placement of anything. That it has bond strengths through the roof is an added bonus.


Same here. Cool
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you then sealing with surpass after the prep, before the image for cerecs?
How thin is the surpass 3 being thinned?
How are you treating the prep after milling, just prior to placement?


I have been using surpass on occasion for cerec when I desire a little more retention, but I have been sealing AFTER the opticals and adding 20 microns to my spacer--


thanks in advance fellas.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

you can use surpass with no problem just like sim when sealing preps brad. Just this the snot out of sur 3. then powder and image. then scrub with alcohol and rinse with water. you are ready to cement. I don't believe wtih surpass you need to use the uncured layer, even after powder has been cleaned off the tooth. Now that I may be wrong on. I'm waiting to be corrected.

The key is to make sure that you dry surpass long enough. you can't overdry it. give it a good 10 second blast and all should be well with the world.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 2:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cool kid wrote:
you can use surpass with no problem just like sim when sealing preps brad. Just this the snot out of sur 3. then powder and image. then scrub with alcohol and rinse with water. you are ready to cement. I don't believe wtih surpass you need to use the uncured layer, even after powder has been cleaned off the tooth. Now that I may be wrong on. I'm waiting to be corrected.

The key is to make sure that you dry surpass long enough. you can't overdry it. give it a good 10 second blast and all should be well with the world.


Rich,

I freshen up the prep with a coat of Surpass 3 cured. Cool
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 6:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is what I would do.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 7:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

john kanca wrote:
That is what I would do.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 8:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

my bad. I was always under the impression that if the tooth was in a temp, that you would reapply the entire surpass process. I thought that you only would freshen it when you were doing a cerec/1 visit indirect restoration.

So if this is the case, how long can a patient be in a temp before you have to do the entire bonding process again?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, but that's about being in a temp for some time, and I would re-apply the whole shebang, but this is about sitting for just a little while. You've contaminated the surface with the powder and cleaned it off, and it needs a little refreshing. It's like re-applying Sim 2.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

John- If one is anal (me) is there any harm in re-applying the Sim One (Or Sur One and Two) also rather than just the Sim 2 or Sur 3 in the one visit indirects?
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 7:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No harm at all.
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