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john kanca



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PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2005 10:08 am    Post subject: Simplicity and PFM crowns Reply with quote

Prep visit:
- Prep
- Cord
- Fabricate Temporary
- Impression
- Seal prep with Simplicity

Diluted Durelon is the MOST reliable and retentive temp cement, and easiest to remove

At delivery:

- Remove temp
- Clean bits of temp cement with Sim 1, rinse and dry
- Insert crown with RelyX Luting Plus (FujiCem is OK too)
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the prep isn't vital and we are cementing a pfm with relyx then is there a need to apply simplcity; i assume cementing is different than the process for bonding.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 12:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Michael ONeal wrote:
If the prep isn't vital and we are cementing a pfm with relyx then is there a need to apply simplcity; i assume cementing is different than the process for bonding.


Realistically you can sue any temporary cement you want, ZOE is fine and any cement you want as well.

For those cases I still tend to use the resin-modified glass ionomer.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 6:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

what would be the steps if I'm think'g using Maxcem to cement 3units PFM bridge?
What will be the sequence of steps w/ the Simplicity?

Personally, I thought, using bonding cement will give better seal (Vs. Fujicem) and retention on a bridge that is short on retention wall (#31)

Thanks for the info.
Gary
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 6:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

doc4smile wrote:
what would be the steps if I'm think'g using Maxcem to cement 3units PFM bridge?
What will be the sequence of steps w/ the Simplicity?

Personally, I thought, using bonding cement will give better seal (Vs. Fujicem) and retention on a bridge that is short on retention wall (#31)

Thanks for the info.
Gary


Gary,

If you sealed at the prep, then clean up preps and seat. If not, 10secs Sim 1, 3 coats Sim 2, air thin, 2 coats Sim 2, air thin and cure. Then seat with MaxCem. And WELCOME! Cool
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 7:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gary,

Futher down this section, there is an area about Simplicity and MaxCem and Unicem. Cool
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

John, by how much do you dilute the durelon? The first time I used 1 scoop of powder and 2 increments of liquid instead of one and it took forever to set up.
Any suggestions?

Regards,

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mark,
Thanks for the info.
Now, where can I look for the Maxcem/ Unicem w/ simplicity?
What will be the name of the topic?
much appreciate. I was advised by Dr. Kanca that I can make the Maxcem work for my PFM, Onlay, and now reading the posting here...I'm think'g using it for Veneer?!!
I wasn't too happy w/ the Maxcem but I brought the whole kit, I need use it up...i guess it is not a easy as they told so..
Thanks again,

gary
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do not use it for veneers.
If you must use it up, save it for the full crowns after Simplicity.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

doc4smile wrote:
mark,
Thanks for the info.
Now, where can I look for the Maxcem/ Unicem w/ simplicity?
What will be the name of the topic?
much appreciate. I was advised by Dr. Kanca that I can make the Maxcem work for my PFM, Onlay, and now reading the posting here...I'm think'g using it for Veneer?!!
I wasn't too happy w/ the Maxcem but I brought the whole kit, I need use it up...i guess it is not a easy as they told so..
Thanks again,

gary


Gary,
keep going down the list of topcs under this near the bottom and you will see it. Cool
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pablo wrote:
John, by how much do you dilute the durelon? The first time I used 1 scoop of powder and 2 increments of liquid instead of one and it took forever to set up.
Any suggestions?

Regards,

Paul


That's pretty close to what we do too. It does take a while to set, but it is a little faster in the mouth.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 8:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have 2 types of temp cement in my office. 1 is a ZOE brand of cement. the other is access temp cement. This 2nd cement is a temporary self cure resin cement. If I'm doing a 6 unit temp, I assume that I better not use the 2nd cement, even though it says temporary. Will someone confirm this for me. If I seal the prep and I do use the ZOE for my temp cement, will I be fine as far as just cleaning off my prep with alcohol and then using my unicem, or should I rebond the prep again because of the eugenol. I think I know that answer, but I'm in the mood for a friday brow beating!!! Wink Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It has been said that rather than diluting the Durelon, adding a drop of water instead makes it set faster. It does seem to do so. I think it was Howard who said it. Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cool kid wrote:
I have 2 types of temp cement in my office. 1 is a ZOE brand of cement. the other is access temp cement. This 2nd cement is a temporary self cure resin cement. If I'm doing a 6 unit temp, I assume that I better not use the 2nd cement, even though it says temporary. Will someone confirm this for me. If I seal the prep and I do use the ZOE for my temp cement, will I be fine as far as just cleaning off my prep with alcohol and then using my unicem, or should I rebond the prep again because of the eugenol. I think I know that answer, but I'm in the mood for a friday brow beating!!! Wink Very Happy


CK,

do you just wipe clean? i know that is probably the answer, but the retard in me always says to clean....rebond....cement.

this should make JK happy - i will be purchasing simplicity well into his "golden" years!!!!

take care,
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 7:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

D,

I have not been just wiping clean, just because of how I was taught in school. I believe that many here have said to bond before the temp is bonded, then just remove temp, wipe clean and use your resin cement. I, mentally, have a tough time doing this. I can't get myself past the fact that the bonding agent would be less effective. I know that I'm way off base. I also thought that zoe would break down the bonding agent so that I'd have to reapply. This was why I posed the question initially. Still not completely sure about the answer but hope to get is soon.
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