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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:52 am    Post subject: Treatment of the interior of ceramic crowns Reply with quote

I can say now that it is more than sufficient to use Interface as usual on the interior of ceramic crowns followed by Surpass 2 ONLY.

Apply 2-3 brushfuls, dry thoroughly and light-cure 10 seconds.

Then insert with Anchor as usual.

This will make your life easier.

I ran the tests today and it works great.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does this apply to zirconia as well?
Do you also sandblast prior to application of interface?

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi John,

I'm assuming this goes for cerecs too? I know that Flem is pushing you to make the procedure easier and easier but DAMN!

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

drkcraven wrote:
Does this apply to zirconia as well?
Do you also sandblast prior to application of interface?

Thanks


No. The best thing for zirconia is sandblast and Surpass 2 and 3.


We sandblast all ceramics. 27 micron for feldspathic and eMax and 50 micron for zirconia.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pav wrote:
Hi John,

I'm assuming this goes for cerecs too? I know that Flem is pushing you to make the procedure easier and easier but DAMN!

I'm loving this Cool


Absolutely yes for Cerec's
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

so-- in summary:

cerec gets- interface and surpass 2. Does this include emax cad (lithium disilicate)?

zirconia- gets sandblasted and no interface-- just surpass 2,3 after snadblasting?

Thanks.....

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

brad wrote:
so-- in summary:

cerec gets- interface and surpass 2. Does this include emax cad (lithium disilicate)?

zirconia- gets sandblasted and no interface-- just surpass 2,3 after snadblasting?

Thanks.....

It keeps getting better!


Brad-
Cerec also gets Surpass 3 and then light cured before cement.
And it does include E Max.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Howard-- but in reading the top of this thread, it states differently.
I have always used interface and surpass 3 on my cerecs- both feldspathic and lithium disilicate.

Intersted to know if there's a change in protocol/recommendations
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually you are right Brad. It does say that.

John, Isn't 3 the bonding agent?
What up????
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I meant to say isn't Surpass 3 the bonding resin?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So the Interface + Surpass 2 is better that Interface and surpass 3 or just easier?

Also is it wrong to sandblast zirconia and then treat with Z-bond from bisco? Will Surpass 2 and 3 bond better to Zi than Z-bond?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Was there a difference in numbers when you did the bonding test between using 2 vs 3 on the porcelain? Most of my Cerecs has ZERO retention and I am relying TOTALLY on bond strength to retain it..
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Upon arrival, I combine surpass 1, 2, and 3 into a mason jar. I then refrigerate this overnight. EVery morning my assistant gets this out and shakes it vigorously (kind of like a shake-weight exercise). We then just dip our brushes in this for all restorations....works great.




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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Howardmg wrote:
Was there a difference in numbers when you did the bonding test between using 2 vs 3 on the porcelain? Most of my Cerecs has ZERO retention and I am relying TOTALLY on bond strength to retain it..
Thanks...Howard


Nope.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pav wrote:
Hi John,

I'm assuming this goes for cerecs too? I know that Flem is pushing you to make the procedure easier and easier but DAMN!

I'm loving this Cool


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