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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 2:29 pm    Post subject: This is what gives CAD/CAM a bad name Reply with quote

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I would like to stop doing direct resin restorations altogether and do cerec ones instead. When I diagnose a small interproximal posterior leasion, it seems I have to make a large cerec prep in order make it work. Small cerecs are a b---- to handle and do not work in my hands. It seems like conservative preps and Cerec are not synonymous. In other words, what about the guy like me who wants to do small cerec restorations. Dr. Morin's book entitled A Dentist's Guide to CEREC CAD/CAM Restorative Dentistry. on page 12.3 shows small preps but no one seems to be able to tell me how to make them work. Now I know some of you will say the solution is easy. Just do small direct resins for small preps. Duh- the only direct posterior resins this dude wants to do are very small occlusals. But you know what they say. " Don't let your wants hurt you." So Guys- Here's hoping for help. Let's here what you have to say. I love cerec and hope I can find a solution. 1hokiedude@comcast.net.

http://www.towniecentral.com/MessageBoard/thread.aspx?s=2&f=96&t=107132&r=1631918#Post1631918
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hate doing inlays with cerec. I used to think that my cerecs would be more predictable than my directs. I have to say that since befriending the godfather (since I forced him to like me, whatever) and have picked his brain ad nauseum, I feel so much more confident in doing directs vs inlays. that and JK showng study after study that inlays are no better then directs.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 11:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mikey is over his head.
I love you guys because you guys all use these machines well.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 5:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use cerec and love it. BUT use suitable materials. Moving away from rsin completely is stupid and I agree with JK, its what given cad/cam and dentistry a bad name
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 7:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pav

What you see when some of these guys talk about not being able to make contours and contacts is 1. laziness, or 2. lack of skills.

And I would argue that a guy who lacks the skills to do a good class II also lacks the skills to insert a good piece of ceramic.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Part of it is profit, IMHO. Charge the same for composites per hour as you do Cerec and watch people do more resins!

Agree on the laziness, resins are not easy restorations to do. They take time and understanding of materials and techniques. But to do small occlusal cerecs?! Nah! Thats just stupid. Then the same poster had grief that he would have to prep larger cavities for occlusal cerecs.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pav wrote:
Part of it is profit, IMHO. Charge the same for composites per hour as you do Cerec and watch people do more resins!

Agree on the laziness, resins are not easy restorations to do. They take time and understanding of materials and techniques. But to do small occlusal cerecs?! Nah! Thats just stupid. Then the same poster had grief that he would have to prep larger cavities for occlusal cerecs.

The stuff people smoke nowadays Rolling Eyes


Dude!

Are you saying that you wouldn't do Cerec pit and fissures?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 3:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

john kanca wrote:
Pav wrote:
Part of it is profit, IMHO. Charge the same for composites per hour as you do Cerec and watch people do more resins!

Agree on the laziness, resins are not easy restorations to do. They take time and understanding of materials and techniques. But to do small occlusal cerecs?! Nah! Thats just stupid. Then the same poster had grief that he would have to prep larger cavities for occlusal cerecs.

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Dude!

Are you saying that you wouldn't do Cerec pit and fissures?


Well it WOULD increase my production! Razz
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 11:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That thread has turned into one of the funniest in ages. I love it when people don't know who "Apex 2" is. Monthy Python couldn't have written it better! Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That kid needs a little bit of humility.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 3:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who needs humility when ur THAT good?! I mean c'mon, he must know coz he's less than a year out of school so he's right up to date.

But all is cool coz he "feels" he's doing the right thing Exclamation
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 5:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

all I have to say is simmer down people Razz
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 6:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pav wrote:
Who needs humility when ur THAT good?! I mean c'mon, he must know coz he's less than a year out of school so he's right up to date.

But all is cool coz he "feels" he's doing the right thing Exclamation


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

that was a good read!!!!
i dont understand some people - they should all use the cerec how it should be used. i always cringe when someone says anything "superior" in their statements. narcicists!!!!
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 4:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What makes me laugh is at no point have either Dr K or Jason said cerec is crap. Its all been about misuse of product. I know Jas does some wonderful onlay work. And I'm sure Dr K does where he feels is clinically appropriate.

As I've already said, when the only tool u have is a hammer......
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