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scottie



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 7:24 pm    Post subject: Cements and things Reply with quote

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I got a call from a sales rep at Centrix wanting me to try their new Pango cement which is an Auto-mix Glass ionomer cement. He touted all the benefits of Auto-mix, consistency, convenience etc.
What I normally use is the old Vitremer (what is it Rely-R-X now?) powder/liquid which seems to work just fine and I don't think you can get any more economical than that. That's a glass ionomer isn't it?
If I think I might want to get the crown off again for possible endo, I will use Durelon.
If it looks like the crown has poor retention or I see a crown that needs to be re-cemented, I often break out the Meta-Bond.
What are your thoughts?
I told the sales rep I was going to chat with you about it before he sent me any (of course to try for 30 days to see if I like it or not.)
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is this new stuff purported to be an RMGI or regular GI?
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 12:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They just describe it as a "Glass Ionomer Automix Cement".
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 9:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess if you wanted to try it you could use it in places where now you use Vitremer.

Also, if you want tremendous retention, then Surpass and Anchor is also an option to you.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's the protocol using Surpass and Anchor to cement a crown with poor retention and also where you need to re-cement a crown where the build-up is out too?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 7:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apply the Surpass and cement it with Anchor.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay so you cure the Surpass 3, sandblast or roughen the inside of the crown, put the Anchor into the crown and seat. Do you let the excess self cure and how long do you wait or do you clean up the gross excess, then cure and remove what's left?
What if the crown and build up are in your hand? Place Surpass on the tooth and cure Surpass 3. Now at this point would you try to place a thin layer of Anchor and cure then fill the roughened crown with Anchor and seat?
Is there any advantage in painting the inside of the crown with Surpass 3 and curing?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 6:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

scottie, if it were me and there were tooth structure on the internal of the crown, I'd do surpass 1 (or interface), sur 2 and then sur 3 and cure.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 6:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay so you cure the Surpass 3, sandblast or roughen the inside of the crown, put the Anchor into the crown and seat.

So far so good.

Do you let the excess self cure and how long do you wait or do you clean up the gross excess, then cure and remove what's left?

What do I ALWAYS recommend?

What if the crown and build up are in your hand? Place Surpass on the tooth and cure Surpass 3. Now at this point would you try to place a thin layer of Anchor and cure then fill the roughened crown with Anchor and seat?

As CK said, 2 and 3 on the crown following sandblasting. THIN

But to be honest, remake is also in my head now.


Is there any advantage in painting the inside of the crown with Surpass 3 and curing?

If there is any core material in it, see above.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"What if the crown and build up are in your hand? "

If removing what is inside the crown will result in a crown w a decent ferrule:
- remove the innards so it looks like it just came from the lab
- treat the intaglio per the instruction ( PFM vs all porcelain etc)
- if you need a pin to be heroic, place a pin (gasp)
- Sur 1, 2 3 >cure > flowable layer- not on the margins > cure
- Anchor on the prep & fill the crown intaglio as well & seat
- usual protocol for clean up
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